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Check it out here:
http://www.pepsielectronicafest.com/artists.htm

So much commercial sponsorship, but a great lineup of internationals and locals that would be unimaginable here in the States.

Dave and I personally know many of the Turkish stars, including Murat Uncuoglu, Tarkan, Mert Yucel, and Alican & Soner (who are on our label).

Why can't we get this kind of entertainment backing in America?

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It's quite possible that EDM in Turkey doesn't have all the negative stigma attached to it like it does here.

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headrushmusic wrote:
including Murat Uncuoglu


his work is so awesome. his EPs range from driving progressive to dark blast-your-face-off choons.

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Derek [Dwreck] wrote:
It's quite possible that EDM in Turkey doesn't have all the negative stigma attached to it like it does here.


I agree.

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Or they gut you in public if you're found with an e pill.

Laughing Shocked


Damn... I know there's someway to callback to that Turkish wrestling thing in this thread...I just know it.

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Derek [Dwreck] wrote:
Or they gut you in public if you're found with an e pill.


er, isn't that just an American stereotypical perception of justice in the Middle East?

I'd say we as a country have little room to talk given the way the Utah event was shut down...

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Yup... just a joke...
sort of...
Watch MIDNIGHT EXPRESS... and you'll get a really nice picture of how comfortable Turkish prisons are.

Its based on a true story, btw.

And while I've never been to the Middle East, personally, I have worked for a few different Lebanese men and have a few Turkish friends who swear lots of very great things about their country but also some severely bad things as well... as we can say about any country.

And, yes, the event in Utah is appalling, but in general those instances of injustice are few and far between in this country... and overall we still have it better than most people on the planet.

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midnight express scared the crap out of me.

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Derek [Dwreck] wrote:

... and overall we still have it better than most people on the planet.


There will come a day when we won't be able to say this. Don't slack.

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I'd say <censored> and that I really feel that <censored> <censored> but I think that Big Brother will be <censored> <censored> <censored> , you know?

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Derek [Dwreck] wrote:
It's quite possible that EDM in Turkey doesn't have all the negative stigma attached to it like it does here.


Turks like to party.

i've noticed that most of my friends who are not from this country can be equally as conscious about their personal image as americans, yet they are far less conscious when it comes to having a good time.

dancing is viewed completely differently outside of america. most other cultures have traditional dances that are passed down from the community and family that everyone participates in in big celebrations (like weddings and stuff) and they have helluh fun participating. these people are used to dancing around and looking goofy in front of each other.

on the otherhand, early protestant settlers in america was very conservative and viewed dancing as a devil worshipping act. it was looked down upon, and people were even persecuted for dancing. not a good start for a new culture if you ask me.

altho dancing is culturally accepted now, the kind of dancing that is popularized are the complex, professional moves that pop stars pull off in music videos. these are moves that the average person can not do.

this may be a stretch of my imagination, but if people aren't taught how to dance, and the only dances they know are 'cool' or accepted are the ones that they are unable to do, then i think they would be discouraged from dancing in public. why was that fat joe song 'lean back' so popular? because it promoted a simple dance move that everyone could participate in.

didn't the twist, the mashed potato, the swim, and all those classic american dances make parties a lot of fun for kids in that day? what ever happened to that?

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Suburban wrote:

didn't the twist, the mashed potato, the swim, and all those classic american dances make parties a lot of fun for kids in that day? what ever happened to that?


You forgot disco dancing.

Dance music evolved, but the techno rave generation defined a new way of dancing led with glowsticks, break circles, and many other factors.

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I dunno...crowd from last year doesn't look like they're too much the glowstick-waving maniacs...

http://www.pepsielectronicafest.com/2004pics.htm

Here's one:



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Derek [Dwreck] wrote:
It's quite possible that EDM in Turkey doesn't have all the negative stigma attached to it like it does here.


And I for one appreciate the fact that there will always be people nit picking and pointing out displeasing facts for lack of better conversation. Rolling Eyes

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I'm sorry you feel that way, but sometimes the truth isn't quite what you'd see through rose-colored glasses.

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Check it out here:
http://www.pepsielectronicafest.com/artists.htm

So much commercial sponsorship, but a great lineup of internationals and locals that would be unimaginable here in the States.


how does this differ from something like the DEMF which i believe was at least at one point sponsered by ford.

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jovana wrote:
headrushmusic wrote:
Check it out here:
http://www.pepsielectronicafest.com/artists.htm

So much commercial sponsorship, but a great lineup of internationals and locals that would be unimaginable here in the States.


how does this differ from something like the DEMF which i believe was at least at one point sponsered by ford.


I guess that's part of what I'm wondering about...Wasn't there a huge movement to get sponsorship out of DEMF?

Also, wasn't lack of sponsorship a big reason the Berlin Love Parade eventually had to cease?

The difference being corporate sponsorship partnering up for something with such a diverse lineup ...

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I'm sure there was more to people wanting corps out of the DEMF but here's various things I've been aware of over the years:

People were not the least bit pleased when Carl Craig was taken out of the organizing committee.
Ford actually tried/did to rename the festival with Focus added to the name ( in reference to the car model )
Funding appeared less then adequate when you consider that there was a case of a 10 000 dollar unpaid bill for bottled water! ( Damn these ravers must have been thirsty that year ) ... I'm sure there were many more money issues below the surface.

Haven't followed the behind the scene facts of DEMF for some time so there could be a whole lot more to the picture then what I just mentionned.


The issues with the Love Parade in Berlin were most certainly due to funding issues and not lack of attendance ( I believe things had gotten a little out of hands with the amount of people )
There is actually two sides to take into account to the financial problems with the Love Parade.
First, the expenses involved for the people participating were phenomenal. Costs for operating a truck, staff, parade fee, were in the 100k 300k range.
For most labels participating that happened to be their years biggest expense and in the light of recent financial issues in the industry this is most certainly not the wisest spending or is it?
I'm not sure but I think there weren't as many people wanting to participate versus years past were they had to deny trucks. Keep in mind they usually have 35~50 trucks
Secondly, yes there was most certainly problems with corp funding, but that is not at all amazing when you consider that the expenses to run the event have gone up over the years massively.
CIty support didn't seem too great either.
Lack of corporate funding could also potentially be linked to stumbling economy in Germany.

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