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(You knew I would have something to say about this, so grin & bear it.)

This is a day people fear, like so many others before it.

Pearl Harbor, 1941. The Challenger Disaster, 1986. The Hough Riots, 1966. The Glenville Shootout, 1968. Hurricane Andrew and the Rodney King Riots, 1992. The Accident In Paris (HRH Diana, Princess of Wales), 1997. Manhattan 9/11. Madrid 3/11. The Columbia Breakup. The Pacific Rum Tsunami. London 7/7.

And now, Hurrricane Katrina.

We, as humans, seem to believe that we are superior to all--especially to each other and even to Nature. Yet every so often, Nature reminds us that we all are subservient to her. This reminder has come yet again in the form of a deadly hurricane.

One would have thought that such a place as the bayou of Louisiana would have been seen as unfit for human habitation. But clearly we ignored her warnings. We have even tried to build, block and correct her into submission to our shameful, arrogant material uses. Anyone who have ever traveled to "Le Quartier Francais" for the annual festival of booze, beads and boods named Mardi Gras knows first-hand, with the millions of drunken tourists who crowd, eat, flash and chug their way into the City on the Bayou--completely ignorant of the fact that the City and Parish of New Orleans is desperately poor.

Now we know.

Some of you know of my employer, Godiva Chocolatier. We have a number of boutiques in the area, including Mobile and Biloxi. We also have three locations in the Big Easy: The Esplanade in Kenner, Lakeside Shopping Center in Metairie and the Riverwalk Marketplace right on the River itself. They're all gone. So is everything. We have heard nothing from any of our personnel there. We can make more truffles and caramels; I pray that my human counterparts are still alive.

The prevalent talk is of years of recovery. They may be correct, as there are parts of Greater MiamiDade--the beloved "American Ibiza"--that still haven't recovered from Andrew's deadly onslaught 13 years ago. But I think the talk is wrong. Just look at your TV screens: shootings, carjackings, fires burning, massive widespread looting, humans devolving into a neanderthalesque "Lord of the Flies" society. Who will want to go back down there? Would you?

It is my firm belief that this land of the bayou must be permanently forsaken and abandonded. Nature wants it back. She needs it back. Let her have it. Let us collect the dead and start anew elsewhere. The Big Easy has ceased to exist. She must NEVER exist again.

What Nature wants, Nature gets. That is the moral of the American Tsunami that must be learned.

But will we at last learn it?

What say you?

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Man it's crazy here in Houston with all the people evacuated. They filled up the old Astro dome and are turning people away. Gas prices are going up more and more too. It's totally f#cked!! Shocked Shocked Shocked
Never thought I'd see something like this! Crying or Very sad


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This is the sign of the times or is it?

I have been following the whole unfolding of this event on Cnn and words can't express how disturbing it is.


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I have to believe that our government can do more to help. We did more to help the people of Iraq than our own people. Load up the freakin' planes and airdrop some food and water! Get every helicopter and bus in the country down there! Rent cruise ships and put everyone on it!

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In September 1999, Hurricane Floyd -- a category 3 -- was bearing down the Carolinas and Virginia.

President Clinton was in Christchurch, New Zealand - meeting with President Jiang of China (you know, actually working). He made the proclamation that only Presidents can make and declared the areas affected by Floyd "Federal Disaster Areas" so the National Guard and Military can begin to mobilize.

Then he cut short his meetings overseas and flew home to coordinate the rescue efforts. This all one day BEFORE a Cat-3 hit the coast. That is how you do it.

How about W's own father during Hurricane Andrew? Once again, President Bush -- August, 1992 -- was in the midst of a brutal campaign for re-election. Yet, he cut off his campaigning the day before and went to Washington where he martialed the largest military operation on US soil in history. He sent in 7,000 National Guard and 22,000 regular military personnel, and all the gear to begin the clean up within hours after Andrew passed through Florida. 'Cause, you know, those people and their stuff was actually where it belonged, rather than being used for insurgent target-practice halfway around the world in a vain effort to make Iraq safe for American oil interests

In August of 1969 when Cat-5 Hurricane Camille hit roughly the same area as Katrina, President Nixon had already readied the National Guard and ordered all Gulf rescue vessels and equipment from Tampa and Houston to follow the Hurricane in. There were over 1,000 regular military with two dozen helicopters to assist the Coast Guard and National Guard within hours after the skies cleared.

Bush - August 2005 - Cat-5 Hurricane Katrina bears down on New Orleans and the Mississippi gulf. Both states are down nearly 8,000 National Guard troops because they are in Iraq -- with most of the rescue gear needed. Bush is on vacation. The day before Katrina makes landfall, Bush rides his bike for two hours. The day she hits, he goes to Johnnie McCain's birthday party; and lies to old people about the multi-billion-dollar pharmaceutical company welfare boondoggle. People are dying, the largest port of entry in the United States (and fifth largest in the World) is under attack. Troops and supplies are desperately needed. The levees are cracking and the emergency 1-1/2 ton sandbags are ready, but there aren't enough helicopters or pilots to set them before the levees fail. The mayor of New Orleans begs for Federal coordination, but there is none, and the sandbagging never gets done. So Bush -- naturally -- goes to San Diego to play guitar with country singer and lie to the military about how Iraq is just exactly like WWII. The levees give way, filling New Orleans with water, sewage, oil and chemicals. Ten percent of all US exports, and 50% of all agricultural exports ordinarly go through this port. It is totally destroyed. Bush decides he'll end his vacation a couple of days early -- TOMORROW --BECAUSE HE HAS TICKETS TO A PADRES GAME! He goes back to the Fake Farm in Crawford, with every intention of doing something on WEDNESDAY about this disaster that happened starting last Sunday night.

Failure to plan. Too little response, too late. Insufficent troop and equipment levels -- sound familiar?


From CNN:

A day after Hurricane Katrina dealt a devastating blow to the Big Easy, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin on Tuesday night blasted what he called a lack of coordination in relief efforts for setting behind the city's recovery.

"There is way too many fricking ... cooks in the kitchen," Nagin said in a phone interview with WAPT-TV in Jackson, Mississippi, fuming over what he said were scuttled plans to plug a 200-yard breach near the 17th Street Canal, allowing Lake Pontchartrain to spill into the central business district. An earlier breach occurred along the Industrial Canal in the city's Lower 9th Ward.
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The Corps has workers assessing damage at the two locations. The National Guard, Coast Guard and state and federal agencies are working with the agency to speed the process, it reported.
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But [Mayor] Nagin said a repair attempt was supposed to have been made Tuesday.

According to the mayor, Black Hawk helicopters were scheduled to pick up and drop massive 3,000-pound sandbags in the 17th Street Canal breach, but were diverted on rescue missions. Nagin said neglecting to fix the problem has set the city behind by at least a month.

"I had laid out like an eight-week to ten-week timeline where we could get the city back in semblance of order. It's probably been pushed back another four weeks as a result of this," Nagin said.

"That four weeks is going to stop all commerce in the city of New Orleans. It also impacts the nation, because no domestic oil production will happen in southeast Louisiana."

Nagin said he expects relief efforts in the city to improve as New Orleans, the National Guard and FEMA combine their command centers for better communication, followup and accountability.

Just an utter failure of federal leadership. No coordination in the run up and immediate aftermath as with every other modern hurricane event. Why? These things are usually coordinated by the White House and Pentagon. Where were they?

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jovana wrote:
Just an utter failure of federal leadership. No coordination in the run up and immediate aftermath as with every other modern hurricane event. Why? These things are usually coordinated by the White House and Pentagon. Where were they?


I couldn't have said it better. This isn't a political thing. this isn't any kind of partisan thing. this is an issue of the government serving its citizens. and that doesn't appear to be happening in anywhere near the capacity that it could or should be.


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Well said Jovana!! It's just so fucking sad!!! :evil:
I'm seeing people all over the place down here that have no place to go, it's kaos!!! I'm really worried at all the effects this will have on EVERYONE!!! You can see it first hand here in Houston already.


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I know that I might offend some people by saying this but...

BUSH NEEDS TO GET HIS MUTHAFUCKIN ASS KICKED!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

oh and he seriously needs to be out of office...years ago

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stoutxtc wrote:
I know that I might offend some people by saying this but...

BUSH NEEDS TO GET HIS MUTHAFUCKIN ASS KICKED!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

oh and he seriously needs to be out of office...years ago


He needs some Cleveland muthafuckin' foot in his ass.

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george bush created the hurricane.

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This catastrophic event just proves this administration is just completely out of touch with what is going on. I seriously can't watch this shit unfold and not think I am dreaming or something. It is an embarrasing disgrace to our peoples and country as a whole and will have devastating effects on the entire country for a very very long time. It is just unthinkable that this stuff can happen in this country and nobody can be to blame. I mean politics is one thing and you'd have to expect fingers being pointed after this shit spiralled out of control like it did but the duty of our political leaders is to be prepared for things like this. I hope to god that the blind people in this country finally get their heads out of their asses and wake up to this administrations faults. Nobody could have stopped the hurricane but someone could have prevented what came after. Despicable...


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hello? mandatory evacuation? why didn't the mayor or new orleans use any of the hundreds of buses DAYS in advance to get people out of there?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015

why is the finger being pointed at bush? how can he make the situation better? he fucking sends national guard down there and they get shit tossed at them and shot at. give me a break. you can't make 10,000 helpful people appear at any one location in under 48 hours.

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James [graph] wrote:
hello? mandatory evacuation? why didn't the mayor or new orleans use any of the hundreds of buses DAYS in advance to get people out of there?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015

why is the finger being pointed at bush? how can he make the situation better? he fucking sends national guard down there and they get shit tossed at them and shot at. give me a break. you can't make 10,000 helpful people appear at any one location in under 48 hours.



I agree with you Jimbo. Plus I can't really feel bad for people that choose to live 10ft below sea level....RIGHT ON THE WATER. Same thing with folks that live on a fault line. You know this shit is coming.

I sucks it happened....

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I mean I'm not taking sides with anyone, this is a non-partisan issue.

I don't think anyone was ready when the entirety of America hears that one of its cities is GONE and that all that's left is anarchy. No fingers can be pointed at any side - no one was prepared at all. We can only try to do the best that we can. Yes, the situation is insanity down there, yes you can make many comparisons with disasters in the past, but this is way more absurd then a couple of wrecked luxury homes and some blown out palm trees. There ain't no ghetto in Hilton Head. This is the destruction of a metropolis and the people stranded within.

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What I find hard to understand is why the local government down in New Orleans hadn't had a plan for something like this. It is well known the city is sitting essentially on a swap and that in the event of a levee breach the city would become flooded rapidly. They needed resources in place BEFORE the disaster happened, a mandatory evacuation isn't enough when you are in an urban area like that. I'll bet you the attitudes of officials in hurricane prone areas change pretty quick after this.


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James [graph] wrote:
george bush created the hurricane.

No...but he hasn't done anything about these high ass gas prices and holding a press conference and sayin that he won't forget what he saw in New Orleans had me like no shit sherlock! He needs his ass kicked on THAT shit alone!
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Ok, now that I'm done ranting I thought I would share an email sent to me from my friend who lives in NYC but lived in Nawlins a few years back and has friends that still live there... this is a direct account from someone that's at "ground zero"

Notes From Inside New Orleans
by Jordan Flaherty
Friday, September 2, 2005
I just left New Orleans a couple hours ago. I traveled from the apartment I was staying in by boat to a helicopter to a refugee camp. If anyone wants to examine the attitude of federal and state officials towards the victims of hurricane Katrina, I advise you to visit one of the refugee camps.

In the refugee camp I just left, on the I-10 freeway near Causeway, thousands of people (at least 90% black and poor) stood and squatted in mud and trash behind metal barricades, under an unforgiving sun, with heavily armed soldiers standing guard over them. When a bus would come through, it would stop at a random spot, state police would open a gap in one of the barricades, and people would rush for the bus, with no information given about where the bus was going. Once inside (we were told) evacuees would be told where the bus was taking them - Baton Rouge, Houston, Arkansas, Dallas, or other locations. I was told that if you boarded a bus bound for Arkansas (for example), even people with family and a place to stay in Baton Rouge would not be allowed to get out of the bus as it passed through Baton Rouge. You had no choice but to go to the shelter in Arkansas. If you had people willing to come to New Orleans to pick you up, they could not come within 17 miles of the camp.

I traveled throughout the camp and spoke to Red Cross workers, Salvation Army workers, National Guard, and state police, and although they were friendly, no one could give me any details on when buses would arrive, how many, where they would go to, or any other information. I spoke to the several teams of journalists nearby, and asked if any of them had been able to get any information from any federal or state officials on any of these questions, and all of them, from Australian tv to local Fox affiliates complained of an unorganized, non-communicative, mess. One cameraman told me “as someone who’s been here in this camp for two days, the only information I can give you is this: get out by nightfall. You don’t want to be here at night.”

There was also no visible attempt by any of those running the camp to set up any sort of transparent and consistent system, for instance a line to get on buses, a way to register contact information or find family members, special needs services for children and infirm, phone services, treatment for possible disease exposure, nor even a single trash can.
To understand the dimensions of this tragedy, its important to look at New Orleans itself.
For those who have not lived in New Orleans, you have missed a incredible, glorious, vital, city. A place with a culture and energy unlike anywhere else in the world. A 70% African-American city where resistance to white supremacy has supported a generous, subversive and unique culture of vivid beauty. From jazz, blues and hiphop, to secondlines, Mardi Gras Indians, Parades, Beads, Jazz

Funerals, and red beans and rice on Monday nights, New Orleans is a place of art and music and dance and sexuality and liberation unlike anywhere else in the world.
It is a city of kindness and hospitality, where walking down the block can take two hours because you stop and talk to someone on every porch, and where a community pulls together when someone is in need. It is a city of extended families and social networks filling the gaps left by city, state and federal governments that have abdicated their responsibility for the public welfare. It is a city where someone you walk past on the street not only asks how you are, they wait for an answer.

It is also a city of exploitation and segregation and fear. The city of New Orleans has a population of just over 500,000 and was expecting 300 murders this year, most of them centered on just a few, overwhelmingly black, neighborhoods. Police have been quoted as saying that they don’t need to search out the perpetrators, because usually a few days after a shooting, the attacker is shot in revenge.

There is an atmosphere of intense hostility and distrust between much of Black New Orleans and the N.O. Police Department. In recent months, officers have been accused of everything from drug running to corruption to theft. In separate incidents, two New Orleans police officers were recently charged with rape (while in uniform), and there have been several high profile police killings of unarmed youth, including the murder of Jenard Thomas, which has inspired ongoing weekly protests for several months.

The city has a 40% illiteracy rate, and over 50% of black ninth graders will not graduate in four years. Louisiana spends on average $4,724 per child’s education and ranks 48th in the country for lowest teacher salaries. The equivalent of more than two classrooms of young people drop out of Louisiana schools every day and about 50,000 students are absent from school on any given day. Far too many young black men from New Orleans end up enslaved in Angola Prison, a former slave plantation where inmates still do manual farm labor, and over 90% of inmates eventually die in the prison. It is a city where industry has left, and most remaining jobs are are low-paying, transient, insecure jobs in the service economy.

Race has always been the undercurrent of Louisiana politics. This disaster is one that was constructed out of racism, neglect and incompetence. Hurricane Katrina
was the inevitable spark igniting the gasoline of cruelty and corruption. From the
neighborhoods left most at risk, to the treatment of the refugees to the the media portrayal of the victims, this disaster is shaped by race.

Louisiana politics is famously corrupt, but with the tragedies of this week our political leaders have defined a new level of incompetence. As hurricane Katrina approached, our Governor urged us to “Pray the hurricane down” to a level two. Trapped in a building two days after the hurricane, we tuned our battery-operated radio into local radio and tv stations, hoping for vital news, and were told that our governor had called for a day of prayer. As rumors and panic began to rule, they was no source of solid dependable information. Tuesday night, politicians and reporters said the water level would rise another 12 feet - instead it stabilized. Rumors spread like wildfire, and the politicians and media only made it worse.

While the rich escaped New Orleans, those with nowhere to go and no way to get there were left behind. Adding salt to the wound, the local and national media have spent the last week demonizing those left behind. As someone that loves New Orleans and the people in it, this is the part of this tragedy that hurts me the most, and it hurts me deeply.

No sane person should classify someone who takes food from indefinitely closed stores in a desperate, starving city as a “looter,” but that's just what the media
did over and over again. Sheriffs and politicians talked of having troops protect stores instead of perform rescue operations.

Images of New Orleans’ hurricane-ravaged population were transformed into black, out-of-control, criminals. As if taking a stereo from a store that will clearly be insured against loss is a greater crime than the governmental neglect and incompetence that did billions of dollars of damage and destroyed a city. This media focus is a tactic, just as the eighties focus on “welfare queens” and “super-predators” obscured the simultaneous and much larger crimes of the Savings and Loan scams and mass layoffs, the hyper-exploited people of New Orleans are being used as a scapegoat to cover up much larger crimes.

City, state and national politicians are the real criminals here. Since at least the mid-1800s, its been widely known the danger faced by flooding to New Orleans. The flood of 1927, which, like this week’s events, was more about politics and racism than any kind of natural disaster, illustrated exactly the danger faced. Yet government officials have consistently refused to spend the money to protect this poor, overwhelmingly black, city. While FEMA and others warned of the urgent impending danger to New Orleans and put forward proposals for funding to reinforce and protect the city, the Bush administration, in every year since 2001, has cut or refused to fund New Orleans flood control, and ignored scientists warnings of increased hurricanes as a result of global warming. And, as the dangers rose with the floodlines, the lack of coordinated response dramatized vividly the callous disregard of our elected leaders.
The aftermath from the 1927 flood helped shape the elections of both a US President and a Governor, and ushered in the southern populist politics of Huey Long.

In the coming months, billions of dollars will likely flood into New Orleans. This money can either be spent to usher in a “New Deal” for the city, with public investment, creation of stable union jobs, new schools, cultural programs and housing restoration, or the city can be “rebuilt and revitalized” to a shell of its former self, with newer hotels, more casinos, and with chain stores and theme parks replacing the former neighborhoods, cultural centers and corner jazz
clubs.

Long before Katrina, New Orleans was hit by a hurricane of poverty, racism, disinvestment, deindustrialization and corruption. Simply the damage from this
pre-Katrina hurricane will take billions to repair.

Now that the money is flowing in, and the world’s eyes are focused on Katrina, its vital that progressive-minded people take this opportunity to fight for a rebuilding with justice. New Orleans is a special place, and we need to fight for its rebirth.

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listen to the Mayor of NO, its an interesting listen, the ending caught me off guard
http://www.atypical.net/mm/nagin.mp3

best writeup i've seen so far at the interdictors blog, he is holding down the fort at directnic on the 10th floor downtown, they kept their servers online the whole freakin time..... definately an amazing read. has photos, video at times.
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This videoof Geraldo Rivera and Shepard Smith flipping out on FOX News is pretty intense, as is this video of Kayne West yelling "George Bush doesn't care about black people" and then getting cut off by MSNBC.

a few links:

Nine stockpiles of fire-and-rescue equipment strategically placed around the country to be used in the event of a catastrophe still have not been pressed into service in New Orleans, five days after Hurricane Katrina, CNN has learned.

Northern Command Unit READY - BUT WAITED on Bush Orders

At one point Friday, the evacuation was interrupted briefly when school buses pulled up so some 700 guests and employees from the [Hyatt Regency Hotel] could move to the head of the evacuation line — much to the amazement of those who had been crammed in the Superdome since last Sunday.

Maj. Gen. Thomas Cutler, who leads the Michigan National Guard, said he anticipated a call for police units and started preparing them, but couldn't go until states in the hurricane zone asked them to come. "We could have had people on the road Tuesday," Cutler said [Friday].

The National Guard has banned the Red Cross from entering New Orleans

Bush used a staged set for his Katrina statement

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