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as posted by Knick/Evol Intent
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Last night, I was booked to play an event about an hour outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. The hype behind this show was huge, they presold 700 tickets and they expected up to 3,000 people total. The promoters did an amazing job with the show.. they even made slipmats with the flyers on them to promote in local shops.

So, we got to the show around 11:15 or so and it was really cool. It was all outdoors, in a valley surrounded by huge mountains. They had an amazing light show flashing on to a mountain behind the site, the sound was booming, the crowd was about 1500 people thick and everything just seemed too good to be true really. Well...

At about 11:30 or so, I was standing behind the stage talking with someone when I noticed a helicopter pulling over one of the mountain tops. I jokingly said "Oh look, here comes big brother" to the person I was with. I wasn't far off.

The helicopter dipped lower and lower and started shining its lights on the crowd. I was kind of in awe and just sat and watched this thing circle us for a minute. As I looked back towards the crowd I saw a guy dressed in camoflauge walking by, toting an assault rifle. At this point, everyone was fully aware of what was going on . A few "troops" rushed the stage and cut the sound off and started yelling that everyone "get the fuck out of here or go to jail". This is where it got really sticky.

No one resisted. That's for sure. They had police dogs raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some drugs on him. The soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and kicked him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in his back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop, peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of fucking TEAR GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running and screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are cussing... bad scene.

Now, this is all I saw with my own eyes, but I heard plenty of other accounts of the night. Now this isnt gossip I heard from some candy raver, these are instances cited straight out of the promoters mouth..

- One of the promoters friends (a very small female) was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she struggled to get away from it, the police tackled her. 3 grown men proceeded to KICK HER IN THE STOMACH.

- The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total. People were trying to document what was happening out there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily.. his friend grabbed it and ran and got away. priceless footage. That's not all though. Out of 1,500 people, there's sure to be more footage.

- The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the fuck out of here right now."



Now.. let's get the facts straight here.

This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.

Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own property!!!

Don't get it twisted, this is all going down in probably THE most conservative state in the USA. And this is scary.. a gross violation of our civil liberties. The police wanted this party shut down, so they made it happen. Even though everything about this event was legal. The promoters spent over $ 20,000 on this show and did everything they had to to make it legit, only to have it taken away from them by a group of radical neo-con's with an agenda.

This was one of the scariest things I have ever witnessed in person. I can't even begin to describe how surreal it was. Helicopters, assault rifles, tear gas, camoflauge-wearing soldiers.... why? Was that really necessary?

This needs to be big news across the USofA. At least in our music scene (edm as a whole)... this could happen to any of us at any time. When we're losing the right to gather peacefully, we're also letting the police set a standard of what we can get away with. And I think that's BULLSHIT!

The system fucked up last night... They broke up a party that was 100% legal and they physically hurt a lot of people there at the same time. The promoters already have 6 lawsuits ready to file with their lawyers and the ACLU is already involved.

I'm sure some pictures (and hopefully some video) will surface soon. I'll make sure to post them up here on 404, so you can see the Police State of America at work.
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Sounds messed up. Like you said hopefully this was well documented and the LAW will service the cops justly.

You hear stories and see film about cops out of control all of the time.

They take an oath to serve and protect within the boundries of the law. It is a damn shame that they took matters in a threatening and violent way.

The only justified reason for the cops to act in such a way is when their lives or the lives of citizens/bystanders are in danger. It sounds like this was taken way out of context.

My Uncle is a cop on the Southside of Chicago. It pretty dangerous and overunned by Gangsta Disciples, Vice Lords, Latin Kings ETC. His life is in jeopardy every time he puts on the uniform.

Also, like you said it is UTAH. The state is way to conserative among pop-culture today. They probably took the gathering of 1500 people as threat. I am sure if it was a Mormon Religious movement it would be a different story


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*video clip (no sound):*
http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/.Public/facism.wmv


*various testimonials & discussion:*
http://www.404audio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14814
http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20020
http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=19971


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i read a few of the commentaries and watched the video that's been posted on the 'net. so far it's all "he said she said..." type stuff. there's also a report written by the Utah County Sheriff that puts a real negative spin on the party (lots of drugs and weapons confiscated). the video shows a lot of folks in uniform, but no real brutality was on film.

supposedly there's a press conference that will take place this week on the whole deal. ROAR has also taken interest in the case.

unless there are some ravers with law degrees in Utah, things look pretty glum for that scene.

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That's a serious abuse of 'tax dollars at work'... Not entirely surprising in the state that claims Orin Hatch... but really... don't we have more important things to focus on?

Maybe there was an unnamed offense like trespassing on private property... but the entire situation does seem WAY extreme.


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fvck those bastard pigs...I hope the promoters win big but by the looks of it they won't...I highly doubt they have a chance considering they found guns, drugs, and even counterfeit cash, according to the local media there.

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Yeah this is WAY messed up!!! Letting dogs go after people is FUCKED!!!Way too much time on the pigs hands to be doing this kind of shit!!!


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some info from another board i am on:

here's what the media is saying about this...

Here's what the media is saying about this:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=96651

http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_233220802.html

http://real.ksl.com/video/slc/0/5/502.ram


a dj from seattle was there. here's what she had to say:



THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE THERE TO DO



THAT IS WHAT THEY DID

SEE IF FOR YOUSELFS

http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/FileSharing2.html

with sound http://slcdnb.com/versus.mov

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DJ Syze from seattle was there. here's what she had to say:

UTAH PARTY I WAS PLAYING AT .... SAD


Hey everyone, by now most of you know that I was set to perform at the Versus 2 in Salt Lake City Utah last night August 20th 2005. I am mad, sad, and disturbed at what happened. Here is more info and thank you all for your kind words.......please spread this all around and write letters so we can be heard and fight this.

Ravers mauled by K-9s, beat up by police, CAMERAS CONFISCATED & DESTROYED, SWAT brandishing ASSAULT RIFLES, women KICK IN THE STOMACH by cops, TEAR GAS dispersed!
Make sure to check out Knick's post, linked towards the bottom of this blog.

Utah Raves Forum:
http://forums.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=19971

My story on Seattle DNB

http://www.seattlednb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2840

Knick from Evol Intents story

http://www.404audio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14814



the video with sound they didnt want you to see

http://slcdnb.com/versus.mov
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My mom mentioned this to me this morning...apparently the democratic bloggers are all over this. I'll post links later when I get a chance. Now it's bedtime.


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HAHA

What alarmist BULLSHIT.

First of all, police didn't need a warrant. I'll explain in a bit.
Second of all, investigators are saying they DID NOT have the proper permit.

Finally, don't bulge your eyes at stupid words like TROOPS and CAMOFLAUGE and ASSAULT WEAPONS.

This was SWAT. SWAT wears tactical camo. The Armed Forces would never have been involved in this, and for the National Guard to get involved, this would have had to be HUGE. You expect SWAT to carry around pistols? Sorry, they have MP5's and M4's which... hey they look like those scary ASSAULT WEAPONS.

So, this is how it really went down...
Authorities learned of this party going on. They sent a bunch of undercover officers in, and once they confirmed that a lot of drugs were being sold.. the place got raided.

The event holder's bodyguards had coke and x on them.

I can't excuse any brutality, but I'm not going to claim rights were trampled when a bunch of shitheads were selling drugs to everyone and got busted for it.

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I posted a response to this on another list, so I'll post it on this one too.

1. Public/private land and permits: The promoters say they had permits and the police took them, and they were on private land. The police say that the required permits (at least one of them) were not present and that the party was on public and private land. Who to believe? Let court figure that one out.

2. The video: I personally could only see one instance in which an individual might have been hit by an officer in the half-dozen takedowns that were videotaped. The rest of them were forceably restrained, that's it as far as I can see. Was that kind of a show of force necessary? doubt it. Does it constitute police brutality? doubt it. As far as the other things, teargas/dogs, I can't speak to those as I've seen no evidence thereof.


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I can't say how much force was necessary or overused either. This is definitely going to court land.

I needed to be the devil's advocate here, because I've seen too many of these posts on different forums. Too much taking everything the promoter says as gold and not enough rational thinking of how things could have gone down.

One thing I'm concerned about is why these guys didn't have POLICE or SWAT on their uniforms in big, white letters.

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Ravers say cops were too rough making bust
Utah County: Sheriff defends the actions, denies wrongdoing
By Michael N. Westley
The Salt Lake Tribune

Partygoers at a rave in Spanish Fork Canyon that was busted by police Saturday night say officers used brutal and excessive force to clear the crowd.

As many as 90 police officers from several agencies, including SWAT members and major crimes investigators, stormed the DJ-driven dance party around 11:30 p.m. dressed in full SWAT gear and holding automatic weapons.

A helicopter announced the police presence as it crested a nearby hill and began shining a spotlight on the outdoor dance area, said 19-year-old Scott Benton of Logan.

"The cops just came in wearing full Army [camouflage]. It was basically brute force," Benton said. "I had a gun put in my face and was told to get out of there."

Standing in a crowd of people near the main stage, Alisha Matagi says she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time when she was thrown to the ground, punched, kicked and handcuffed by police.

"I did absolutely nothing wrong," she said. Matagi was arrested with about 60 other partyers. She was booked into the Utah County Jail on the suspicion of resisting arrest and failing to obey an officer, according to police records.

About 1,000 people were cleared in less than a half-hour from the private ranch owned by the Childs family in the Diamond Fork area of Spanish Fork Canyon, rave promoters said. Several party attendees told The Salt Lake Tribune that officers barked orders fraught with profanity, beat people to the ground and used their weapons to intimidate the crowd.

A video of the opening moments of the bust, taken by Jeffrey Coombs and snatched from the ground by another partier as Coombs was tackled, shows the officers using force on individuals as they took over the crowd.

Utah County Sheriff James Tracy said Monday that he had seen the video and called it an accurate representation of the bust.

"I stand by everything that was done there that night. We did use some force. It was appropriate and necessary to take those who were fighting us into custody," Tracy said.

He also said that no officers used profanity as they conversed with partiers, nor did they punch, kick, Mace or use tear gas on any of the attendees.

"It's all a lie and we refute every word of that," said Tracy.

But the video clearly shows an officer using profanity as he demands the music be turned off.

"Turn that off. Turn that music off or I'll take your ass to jail," the officer can be heard saying to the DJ. In the video, the area where people had been dancing transforms into what looks like a battlefield with groups of officers surrounding ravers on the ground, guns drawn and assault dogs in tow.

"I saw a girl tackled to the ground for no reason because she told them not to touch her. It was vicious," Benton said.


Police said the party Saturday night was the third event held in Utah County during the past month. The all-night parties attract a host of illegal activities including drug use, theft, sexual assault and underage drinking, according to Utah County Sheriff's Sgt. Darren Gilbert.

Saturday's party, named Versus II, had been tracked by police for several weeks, Gilbert said. Police planned the bust when they discovered that the rave's promoters had not filed for a mass gathering permit through the County Commission office.

To have more than 250 at an event without that permit is a violation of the law, Gilbert said.

Party promotor Brandon Fullmer said he purchased a mass gathering permit through the Utah County Health Department about three weeks ago. The purchase of that permit, which ensures water, sanitation and medical services, was confirmed by County Health employee Jay Stone.

Fullmer did not know that a similar permit, which requires a security plan and event details, needed to be acquired.

The sheriff had little sympathy for the promoters or those at the rave. "They did nothing more than ensure this was a venue for illegal drug use and consumption," Tracy said. Officers confiscated ecstasy, marijuana, alcohol, cocaine and mushrooms, he said.

Among those arrested for drug possession were several security guards hired by Fullmer to patrol the event. Guards at security check points confiscated alcohol and drugs as ravers filed into the party, Fullmer said.

"[Security guards] have no legal statutory authority to take and hold controlled substances. It's against the law for them to have them," Tracy said.

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Also, like you said it is UTAH. The state is way to conserative among pop-culture today. They probably took the gathering of 1500 people as threat. I am sure if it was a Mormon Religious movement it would be a different story


Now THAT is a good point....does this kind of thing happen EVERY time there is a large gathering? DOES every large gathering on private property in this counrty have all the "right" permits? I doubt it...and if that is that case why don't these raids happen in different instnaces? Such as a religious gathering, or a political gathering.....

I'd be curious to see statistics on different events, and the number of attendees, the procedures that were followed and the outcome and to see if there was any kind of bias or discrimination.


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Avalon (Valerie) wrote:
why don't these raids happen in different instnaces? Such as a religious gathering, or a political gathering.....

I'd be curious to see statistics on different events, and the number of attendees, the procedures that were followed and the outcome and to see if there was any kind of bias or discrimination.


How many drug overdoses have been reported at religious/political events?

C'mon Val, use the noggin. Rolling Eyes

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http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/

Michael Moore comment on Utah.


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naps wrote:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/

Michael Moore comment on Utah.


Direct link is:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=466

Happened to watch the Woodstock documentary on the same night that I heard about this. How far (down the shitter) we've come...

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Derek [Dwreck] wrote:
Avalon (Valerie) wrote:
why don't these raids happen in different instnaces? Such as a religious gathering, or a political gathering.....

I'd be curious to see statistics on different events, and the number of attendees, the procedures that were followed and the outcome and to see if there was any kind of bias or discrimination.


How many drug overdoses have been reported at religious/political events?

C'mon Val, use the noggin. Rolling Eyes


Then instead of raiding events why not post the police teams before hand.

Speaking of Michael Moore btw..anyone ever see the link on when one of his book signings got raided?


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Derek [Dwreck] wrote:
How many drug overdoses have been reported at religious/political events?


how many people have died in jesus's name?

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