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		Posted by: Nick_S

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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:29 pm
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Location: thieveland, bitches.
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from top to bottom:
oberhiem matrix 6
roland hs-60(juno106 w/ speakers)
emu e4k (sampling keyboard, better than a triton!)

from left to right, top to bottom:
roland tr-808, roland tr-909
roland tr-707, roland tr-626
casio rz-1, jomox xbase

from top to bottom
mpc200xl
emu e64
emu orbit 0909 v2

soundcraft series 400b 32 channel 4stereo buss mixing console

allen and heath wizard 16 channel mixing console

from left to right, top to bottom:
roland alpha juno2, novation bass-station
roland tb-303, roland pg-300(programmer for the alpha-juno), future retro 777
roland mc-303(we dont use it), roland sh-101
yamaha su-200(we dont use it), roland tr-606 w/ analouge solutions mods, roland mc-202

for the dj's
allen and heath xone464 dj mixer

if anyone is interested in working here...pm me...hourly rates are negoitable right now...we are also running a special for dj's...$75 for a mix cd...the mix will be mastered thru the desk and with waves in the digital audio workstation...we also have 3 technic 1200's availible(mk2 with the center click removed)and a final scratch workstation is also avalible, however, we will not load in any tracks we feel are pirated...we also have 2 pioneer effects processors, and other various dj effects for the creative dj, in addition to the 6 filter types availible on the xone dj mixer.


		Posted by: djmoose

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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:35 pm
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What kind of DAW are you recording to? What interface are you using to/from that console to the DAW?

Looks like a fun place to spend a weekend!

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		Posted by: Nick_S

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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:17 pm
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a p4(not sure on the clockspeeed, but it can run like 10 instances of waves ren eq w/ no problems) with 512mb/ram is the daw...im running cubase sx 1.03...waves diamond, and some other plugins...we are using an m-audio card audiophile at the moment...soon to be upgraded to an 8x8 interface and hopefully a new mobo/processor/hard disk

even tho the daw isnt as powerful as id like...it works well and doesnt crash...the way i work is....i make all my loops on the machines...send them into the daw on indvidual channels...then i mix down in the daw...it would be much faster with that 8x8 card...but it still only took me maybe 1/2hour to put all the loops in the daw for work me over.


		Posted by: djmoose

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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:26 am
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Cool! It would be nice to get a 16in - 16out interface card so you can split your soundcraft up and do all the mixing on it. I'd just hate to have to go through and write down every knob if you wanted to go to another project and come back. (how it was done for a LONG time)

I guess you could use your allen and heath for inputs and mix everything off the daw on the console...but that would mean even a bigger sound interface.

How is upkeep on the Soundcraft? A big console is so nice to have...but a pain to keep running correctly. Especially if you want to be picky and keep stuff like the VU meters calibrated.

Great job on the studio...and it was wonderful to see the 808 out at wish. If I wasn't picking Fixx up at the airport, I would have been able to hear it as well.

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		Posted by: Archived

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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:40 am
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I gotta say that is an impressive cadre of hardware. It's quite different from my setup, and I think I would have a tough time getting things done.. but that's just because i'm used to a more virtual setup.

Kudos, though. I would really like to check it out in person sometime.

You say you make all your loops on the machines.. so you don't have one main sequencer app?


		Posted by: Nick_S

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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:49 pm
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cubase is the main sequencer...but i like working with the sequencers on the machines better....the old drum boxes, mpc, 303, 777, and 101 have super simple sequencers...so much easier to deal with then than cubase's midi sequencer imho(i do know cubase inside and out, i just work faster on the machines)....once i have a pattern it goes to the daw as audio....and i just copy and paste the audio as needed...i can also remix the audio by chopping bits up, reversing bits, or mangling however i feel necessary.

a nice big 16x16 or 24x24 interface would be great....but neither jesse or me have the money right now(i just dropped 4 grand on the desk, mpc, e4k, cables and other assorted bits)but at least an 8x8 is in the future...the soundcraft doesnt have direct outs for every channel...only 8 group outs in additon to the main outs...so most of the time...everything is recorded thru the allen and heath cuz it has direct outs...unless im getting a sound from the soundcraft i just cant get from the heath(eq wise)....altho i tend to record with the eq flat...as for servicing the beast....it came fully serviced from soundpro in texas where i bought it...altho im sure the vu's are already in need of recalibration...the 808 slamms them sometimes, usually when im block rocking Smile

i also need to replace a coupla 3v lamps in the vu's(they worked at fist, then burned out on the 3rd of 4th day), and one of the little lites needs a 3v bulb as well.


		Posted by: NRM

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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:23 pm
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from past experience of working with these older smaller synths i think using them with a sequencer is waaaaay better...i think its waste when you take a line from a juno 106 or sh 101 and simply record it as a audio file and throw it in your virtual cubase style program, you take out all the fun and human feel of tweaking them live while they are playing, you can do it on alot of those machines as well.

very nice studio, if you ever need any tips or tricks with those older analogue machines just shout, i can honestly say i am a pro with those and know all the ins,outs,tips and tricks with them...some very fun stuff to be done that the manuals wont ever tell you about.

having those older roland drum machines and those synths leaves much fun to be had when using the click feature from a machine to a synth...you can change all your lines by making different ticvk patters on the drums patters...so much fun!!

very nice impressive set up. props on that soundcraft! smart move there.

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		Posted by: Nick_S

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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:46 pm
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Neo Rude Movement wrote:

if u listen to the work me over rmx...the 303 lines are 16bar loops...jesse tweaked it live...and i was recording while the tweakage was going on...unfourtunetely we dont have a midi-cv box...so the 101,202,and 303 cant be controlled via computer sequencer...i think the the 101,202, and 303 actually sound better being controlled by their onboard sequencers...cubase cant do a 303 slide/accent as well as a 303.

but post up some tips...here one from me...if u have a 101...use a drum box with a trigger out to trigger its gates...that way u can use a 101 like a groovebox...u put the pattern u want the 101 to play into the drum box....load the pitches u want it to play into the 101s sequencer...and bam...groovebox style sequencing for your 101.


		Posted by: ROBTRONIX

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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:54 pm
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Damn Nick I gotta sit down with you sometime on the "Cubase Master class" I've been using SX3 for the past few months but never fucked around with all your talking about. The most i've done midi wise is some basic midi keyboard recording & I've also got a Roland Gk3 guitar pickup & interface for turning my guitar playing into midi notation. Its kinda fun to lay down melodies with that.


		Posted by: Nick_S

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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:32 pm
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ROBTRONIX wrote:

the midi side of cubase is nice...but most of what goes on today...especailly in dnb...is audio tweeking...unless your controlling a hardware synths filter cutoff with midi.

pm me tronix...we can work something out im sure.


		Posted by: The Scythian

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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:27 am
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I'd like to do a canlelit session in the buff...

Naked girls playing twister maybe

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		Posted by: NRM

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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:59 am
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problem solved...take the weakest of the tr series..yes the 626 rhythm machine (-:

there is a sync and midi on this one i think....boom, your 303 now works with midi, thats how i did it.

it starts and stops and lets you do everything else. those machines are all so much fun.

one thing your missing going with the older sounds...an emu sp 12, sp1200 or their first blue samplers that look like the sp12's box, i just sold one on ebay this week...hunt them down, the emu earlyt and sp12 are cheap...but the sp 1200 goes for big bucks still and always will.

also...your rz1...love those, steve poindexter made "work that motherfucker" on just that box alone...using the 4 sample pads for the words and just the drum sounds..still an awesome track! and it came just from that box alone.

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		Posted by: Nick_S

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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:54 am
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the 626 doesnt do din sync...just midi...secondly...din sync is just clock...u cant send note on/off, velcoity, etc, via din...just a 24(or maybe 48 i cant remember what the din spec is, trout?!)pluses per quarter note...if i wanted to use the 303 with a midi sequencer like cubase i would need a midi to cv converter...a good midi to cv box is on our wish list.

we use the 707 as a master clock cuz it sends din and midi...we use din to clock the 808 and the mc202...right now jesse has the 303 hooked up via cv to the 777...so he can use the 777's sequencer to control the 303...however, when i use the 303...i hook it up to din clock, and use the onboard sequencer.

the rz-1 is underated...its a very intelligent drum box for its age...its operating system reminds me of an mpc...it just has issues with being the slave in a chain...ive been working on some ideas with just the rz-1 and 303 tho.

i would definately love to have an sp12, sp1200, or drumulator...its definately on my wish list....as well as an s-950, s-5k or 6k, an mpc-60, a moog of some type, a space echo, an analog vocoder, and a kurzwiel sampler(i hear v.a.s.t. is the best archetecture for sampling synthesis).


		Posted by: NRM

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opps that why i said think, it is the 707...i no longer play with those machines anymore..just sell em'

i have a mint sh-09 for sale right now if interested along with a bunch of other classic analogue synths.

pm for a list if you'd like

MLF/NRM


		Posted by: Nick_S

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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:06 pm
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its all good...the tr-727 does din out too...and the 909 has a din in.

go on and pm me that list...im kinda broke at the moment, but im still interested to see what you've got.


		Posted by: PacodeBongo

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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:14 am
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Thus far, Robtronix is the only one to stop by...
We helped him put the final touches on a pretty sweet track he did for his show at Mercury on Nov 4th.
Props to Rob for coming through! Cool

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