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		Posted by: Tekatoka

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'Theater' or 'DJ Concert' ?

DJ Tiësto Plans Extravagant U.S. Events

By Barry A. Jeckell, N.Y.

Although his stops will be few, internationally renowned Dutch DJ Tiësto will strive to make a substantial impact with a four-date U.S. tour. The artist intends to replicate an extravagant stage show that has been on display at large events in Paris and the Netherlands, as well as the opening ceremonies of the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens.

In addition to a Los Angeles show and a performance at New Orleans' Voodoo Music Experience (Oct. 29-30), Tiësto will play Washington, D.C., and Miami on dates to be confirmed. The DJ is also planning a "special New Year's Eve event" at an undisclosed location.

Video production will enhance the four-hour show's global theme with segments exploring the United States, South America, Asia and elsewhere. The production will employ more than 30 performers, including singers, dancers, aerial acts, Samba and Taiko drummers and Carnival showgirls.

Tiësto will spin music out of a DJ booth in front of a three-story LED wall and surrounded by pyrotechnics and lasers, on a set by Tribe Design, which has created staging for Ricky Martin, Sting, Madonna and the Lollapalooza tour.

"At the end of the day, this concept is as much magic and theatre as it is a performance by the most recognized DJ in the world," says Angel LIVE's Brook Pettus, who is executive producing the tour. "Tiësto is about to break through to the mainstream and we know we have something amazing here... a show that is incredibly original and history in the making in the United States."

Tickets for the L.A. show range from $37.50 to $67.50 (the higher priced seats include a tour t-shirt) and go on sale tomorrow (June 14) via Tiestoinconcert.com and Ticketmaster. A $200 VIP package includes standing admission to an area at the side of the stage, access to a backstage lounge with hosted bar and a t-shirt.

Tiësto's most recent releases are last year's "Just Be" and his Olympic soundtrack "Parade of the Athletes." The Black Hole/Nettwerk sets each peaked at No. 3 on Billboard's Top Electronic Albums chart, and combined have sold more than 100,000 copies in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

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		Posted by: Deviant

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Tiesto might have the right idea for helping dance music gain greater acceptance with the mainstream market. Maybe people will get a new perspective on dance music instead of the anti-rave propaganda that gets the headlines.

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		Posted by: Tymezup

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"dj concerts"

I can't wait for they day when clubbing and "dj concerts" are known as two separate things.


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TymezUp wrote:

"dj concerts"

I can't wait for they day when clubbing and "dj concerts" are known as two separate things.

I think in this case, they are separate things. This is a far bigger production than a typical club night. This is no different than how Delta Heavy was developed -- as a concert venue tour rather than a nightclub tour. Maybe the term "DJ concert" is not the best descriptor, but I think that this is far more than a DJ playing at a club. De La Guarda in NYC is certainly not merely a club night -- it is a blend of theatre and nightclub culture.

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		Posted by: Deviant

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bushwik wrote:

I'm sure if one of your DJ heroes were doing this, you'd think it was the greatest idea ever.

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		Posted by: bushwik

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U can't be serious chap...?!?

One of my 'deejay heroes' would scoff at this idea cuz they wouldn't have enough fans in the entire U.S to fill a freakin arena for a dj concert.

If this is the way clubland has to 'transform' the mainstream than fvck it, I give up...


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Granted, it may not be the most ideal way to infiltrate the mainstream, but we are in America -- not the most forward-thinking country ever.

I guess that I am at least happy to see a DJ who has the resources trying to do something bigger and different rather than just show up to a club, play for a few hours, and collect a huge paycheck.

A lot of people who are into the scene today got into it because of trance. So, perhaps in a few years from now, our scene will grow because of shows like this. Despite what you may feel about trance today, I think that it is a good gateway music for those who have only listened to rock or hip hop. There is a sort of emotional excitement of those who have never really considered dance music as a viable form of music. Once that initial excitement wears off, many will move toward genres that have a more organic, less artificial-feeling approach to soliciting emotion.

It's like watching movies -- after seeing a ton of special-effects flicks, at some point, you want to see movies with a focus on story, dialogue, characters, etc.

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		Posted by: Tymezup

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Deviant wrote:

TymezUp wrote:

"dj concerts"

I can't wait for they day when clubbing and "dj concerts" are known as two separate things.

I was hoping people would read into what I was said.

I was, and have been, suggesting that there is a difference between "clubbing" and going out to see a dj.


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it worked for Van M, Digweed and Sasha

why shouldn't it work for others?

(i wish it were tomiie instead tho)

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		Posted by: bushwik

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Deviant wrote:

I like the movie perspective...It def makes sense.

So what are your feelings as to why these days a 'dj concert' is the current fad to infiltrate the mainstream? I guess it goes back to the same argument that times have changed and nowadays promoters must try new ways to get people thru the door. I mean there weren't 'dj concerts' when we began to take this music seriously, Why now? What has changed that much that we need to throw a three ring circus to get people interested in club culture, and also what makes u think that this 'next generation' of club kids won't expect to go to a 'dj concert' every time they go out. Do you see the problem here. These kids that supposedly show up at these events only show up at these types events. Come on now there are more 18+ events that they can attend that they obviously don't (we have been talking about this in the other thread) I can only assume that they feel that a proper event has to be a 5 figure production.

See this is my whole problem with these types of events. They aren't making the younger generation more aware of anything. They basically make them believe this is the real deal club scene and that nothing else is worthy or exists. I don't know how many times I have heard some random kid say 'Are you going to the Armin Corsten Van Oakendyke show' when probably that last event they were at was the last big production show featuring the same headliner at the same venue.

I dont know.... I mean I can understand that basically these events are the only sound investment in a production in this town. That is the reality of the situation, but we could talK about this forever. I have been reading these threads and havent really said too much becausee I don't believe they really go anywhere but in circles. And to be quite honest I don't have a clue as to why the younger generation doesnt take heart to our culture but it seems to be a lost cause in this day and age.


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Those are all good points that you bring up. I think that there is a strong possibility that this type of event will do absolutely no long-term good at all. The argument that I had been making was based on the supposition that infiltration of the mainstream is a desirable thing -- that isn't necessarily true. Unfortunately, I'm not certain that any of us can know for sure at this point. All I know is, perhaps it's worth a try. If it doesn't work, then we probably won't be much worse off than we are now.

But perhaps that is wishful thinking. Especially given my feeling that a continued ingress into the mainstream will be the ultimate undoing of this culture. Which leads me to my response to your question about why the younger generation does not take heart to our culture.

My belief as to what has changed over the last few years is that dance music and rave/club culture is no longer seen as a form of rebellion by America's youth. It is no longer the secret refuge that it once was for the people who don't fit in. It is no longer a statement against the world that is being imposed on us. This culture has seen far too much daylight and has become subsumed by the mainstream. Hence, it is no longer suitable to be a rebellion against the mainstream, because it is quickly becoming part of it. That is how the mainstream works: it either exploits those elements of culture that it believes it can make profitable until there is no blood left to drain, or it sabotages and destroys those elements that are considered a threat to the status quo and the continued hypnosis of the society. Young people are seeking a more subversive form of protest through which to vent their need for social release. What worked for us doesn't work for them. Our culture has been chewed up and spit out, sadly for both exploitative profit and the threat that it posed to "normalcy." We are getting it in both ends, so to speak.

This is just a theory, and I'm sure that there are plenty of arguments against it. I would still like to believe that it may just be a matter of awakening people from their slumber. I see us all as being engaged in the very early stages of a revolutionary movement. We may never feel victory in our lifetimes, but it is our responsibility to keep it from dying completely.

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		Posted by: bushwik

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Deviant wrote:

I see us all as being engaged in the very early stages of a revolutionary movement. We may never feel victory in our lifetimes, but it is our responsibility to keep it from dying completely.

Very interesting perspective...I kind of feel the same way about this too. I also completely agree with the idea that this culture has been exposed to the mainstream and is thought of much differently now than in the past. What I fail to understand still is why here in the good ole US of A we still have trouble gaining respect and new faces when it is done all over the world and still growing. Thats where I think our society in general comes into play. Everything in the media/music is so watered down now that there is too much for the younger generation to explore and unfortunatly our culture is not at the top of their list.

Btw this is a great discussion because it really delves into this whole argument about 'Whats Next in Club Culutre' ....Hell if dj concerts work I am all for them but like you said a dj concert is what it is, and ultimately could become the demise of the traditional underground. Maybe we are beginning to have three categories now. Mainstream Crowd, Headliner Crowd, Underground Crowd...

I' spose we will just have to wait and see what comes of this, But your right it probably wont hurt anything.


		Posted by: Tekatoka

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About ten years ago, I saw the Alvin Ailey dance company perform a piece to some of Roy Davis' music. I thought, "Wow, wouldn't it be great if they could perform this inside a nightclub with a DJ instead of the confines of a theater where there is zero audience participation?"

I guess I see the more dramatic productions as taking things back to the way big clubbing and raves used to be for me: creations of artistic freedom and other realities inside an incubated world where you don't have to worry about what other people think.

I remember when Dave Seaman held his Renaissance release party at Crobar in Miami, it was a HUGE frickin' production. May poles with lavish ribbon, dancers in Renaissance period costumes. Immensely intelligent lighting and visuals. And at another occasion when a DJ dropped a remix of the theme from American Beauty, I even remember them infusing rose petal aroma into the air as millions of red petals fell from everywhere. It was the most awesome thing ever to hear that piano line and be standing in the middle of a floor spiraling into a whirl of sight and smell and sound like the scene in the movie where she is slowly covered with rose petals...everyone in the place was awestruck.

I don't see turning musical experiences into total sensory experiences as anything mainstream. I see it going closer to the next artistic level.

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		Posted by: Stark

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this stuff goes back to the Gratefull Dead and Pink Floyd...nothing new for music really...

the blending of sight with sound is the best way to experience the experience.

Tiesto has the cash, so he's taking it to that level of experience.

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Stark wrote:

Danny... you just reminded me...
http://clevelandnightlife.net/viewtopic.php?t=3083

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		Posted by: DjTanner

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i personally dont see any problem with EDM becoming mainstream. mainstream = more fans = more shows = more records sales = more and better music = better competition = bigger and better scene. i never have been to europe, but isn't it fairly mainstream over there? and look at the shows that go on across the pond. i mean england isn't all that big of a place, and for it to have that calibre of shows on pretty much every night of the week, mainstream doesn't seem all that bad. this is just my hmble opinion though.

one may say that mainstream would bring a bunch of people that are there but not for the music, but that sounds a lot like the scene of five or six years ago to me. perhaps things were different in cleveland though, where as i live in pittsburgh.

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